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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 24, 2009 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

So, you don't think there are times past 77 when both drummers are on their game? As well as the rest of the band?
Try 1983 for one. Here are some shows to get you started... 6/18/83, 10/17/83 (listen to the FOB for better levels), 10/31/83.
Those 3 right off the bat should be pleasing.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Feb 24, 2009 8:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

77 was the beginning of the end. All roads rise to it and all roads fall away from it. No other tour came close in terms of pure musicianship to Spring 77 except perhaps Europe 72.

It was not only the pinnacle of their "ensemble" live playing, but also reflected the end of the best songwriting. Terrapin was the last worthwhile studio effort, anything after pales in comparison. The vast majority of the touring catalog stemmed from songs written prior to Shakedown.

This doesn't mean that the band wasn't capable of stirring it up post 77, just that IMO they never reached that point of perfection again. After 82 it was a coin toss to see whether you'd have a great show or not, after 87 it didn't ache so bad to just stay home and wait for the tapes.

It's funny that those that argue the hardest promoting the latter years more often than not don't have the same reference points to base their arguments. The 80's shows are their frame of reference and what came before really lies outside their ability to pass judgment.

I didn't have the opportunity to see the early incarnation of the band. As such, I do my best to avoid debating the relative merits of 66-71 with the likes of Tell and Cliff. I don't have the experience that would make my opinions stack up. But having attended the great majority of my shows between 72 and 79, I'm pretty comfortable with the opinions I developed about that time frame.

As for the latter years, all you have to do is listen, the evidence speaks for itself. Sometimes great, sometimes not so. Sometimes painful.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Feb 24, 2009 11:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

"After 82 it was a coin toss to see whether you'd have a great show or not."

That's the way it always was.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Feb 24, 2009 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

I actually do like that whole Oct '83 run (especially the 15th, set 2), but that wasn't my point. I was saying '77 is WAY overrated and the beginning of their decline, and I still think so. Also, I don't think having a different opinion is 'ridiculous'. I LIKE that everyone here has a different take about what is 'best' about the GD. Since GDP doesn't listen to us as far as their release schedule goes, what difference does it make? I'm stating an opinion, not insisting on Groupthink.

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 24, 2009 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

Some opinions certainly can be considered ridiculous.
I would say an opinion that throws away out of hand anything that Brent touched (glad to see you aren't a part of that nonsense), in 11 years with the band, is certainly ridiculous.

But, that's just my opinion.

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Poster: Pork Soda Date: Feb 24, 2009 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

Brent can touch all he wants, just please don't sing.

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Poster: kochman Date: Feb 24, 2009 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

[Cue Soggee Johnson]

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Poster: Pork Soda Date: Feb 24, 2009 8:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Hartford '77??

I always thought it was a mistake to bring Mickey back.

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